Full Stop founding editors Eric Jett and Alex Shephard have started a new podcast series, which dives deep into the world of . . . Alastair Crowley . . . Just kidding, it’s Jonathan Franzen! They love him, they hate him, they love him. It’s a complicated thing they have with him. And they’re joined by writer Erin Somers to discuss all of Jonathan Franzen’s books, leading up to this newest book, Crossroads.

So we present the podcast’s pilot episode, on Franzen’s first book, The Twenty-Seventh City. You can get more episodes of the podcast here.

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