This month on the podcast, we’re featuring a bit of a throwback. It’s a conversation between Full Stop contributing editor Allison Noelle Conner and Gabrielle Civil, a poet and conceptual artist. And you might notice there’s no mention of the ongoing pandemic or the protests against police violence and in support of black lives. That’s because this was recorded in the beginning of March, right before the first lockdown orders went in place.

But everything discussed is still incredibly relevant and most likely even more so than back then — writing in Full Stop last year, Laura Wetherington described Civil’s new book, Experiments in Joy, as “a book about documenting a black woman’s performance art in the face of historical, cultural, and practice-based erasure. This is a book for Civil’s ancestors and for the future. This is a book about reaching out to strangers and inviting them to help imagine the future.”

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